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Author Topic: Umbrella or Softbox?  (Read 5422 times)
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« on: April 07, 2008, 05:35:55 PM »

i wanna get something that can diffuse the light and easier to control the light spill. the only softbox size that works with my flash is like 16 inch by 12. is that big enough to cover a whole person from around 6 feet away?
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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 06:22:11 PM »

Just thinking aloud ... by no means I am correct, or that my opinions are the most effective. Different togs will use slightly different techniques to try and achieve the same result.

Assuming you want a diffused light source, but still want to control light spill.

Control light spill - can use grids and flags. With your strobist set-up, I suspect flags might be the simplest.

12" x 16" softbox sounds too small to light an entire person evenly (assuming your models at least 1.68m and taller). It might be ok for a head and shoulder MCU with the soft-box fairly close and use small reflector for fill. If you get hot-spots with that small box, just attach a layer or two of tracing paper over the center. When using a small softbox from a further distance, the quality of light resembles a slightly diffused point source.

Can try using what you already have and fire that softbox into a reflector or better, through a large diffusion panel. You have to determine the box to reflector/diff panel distance that works best. Light spill will be a problem. Use large, cheap boards as flags.

Another possible method is to mask off the sides of the reflector or diff panel with black paper to sort of give you an 'aperture' from/through which light is reflected/shot through. Adjust the angle of the panel to control where you want the light to spill. Depending on your specific shooting situation, you might have to (ironically) flag-off the sides of the small softbox as well to minimise light spill. Might be easier to control if you DIY barn-doors out of light-weight board.

Note: I've never tried the last method, so I can't say for sure whether it would work, or how effectively it would work ... or not.
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If you already have like 2 or 3 speedlights, you could line-up them up with one soft-box each and form a small bank. But to control light spill, you will have to DIY grids for the front of the soft-boxes, unless that particular model has one designed for it ... or use flags.

Perhaps lighting experts like DP and Ukay can offer better options cos I'm just thinking off the top of my head. Would love to find out how others would approach the same situation, given your constraints (small soft-box and I'm guessing - you want extreme portability and to carry as little as possible on shoots) Wink  Of course, the easiest is to get the most appropriate equipment for the task at hand.  IHIH
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2008, 09:59:47 PM »

thanks for the suggestion. i was wondering how to fire 2 flash into 1 umbrella to get more power ...
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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2008, 10:08:22 PM »

I think there are double brackets ... or you could simply tape up two units...
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« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 10:31:36 PM »

how to tape them together? worry abt the heat generated.
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« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 10:37:24 PM »

If your units can't handle the heat, you'll have to shoot slower, put a small batt op fan on them or find better units.

Hmm...if heat was a real problem, you could put a spacer of some sort between the two units?
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« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 10:42:16 PM »

If your units can't handle the heat, you'll have to shoot slower, put a small batt op fan on them or find better units.

Hmm...if heat was a real problem, you could put a spacer of some sort between the two units?

i think the combine heat generated is quite scary. thinking of whether its possible to make a double flash bracket ...

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« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2008, 11:02:50 PM »

Heat generated by Speedlites? I don't remember them being that hot unless you flash non-stop. When I was shooting a lot of fish, the 550EX would perform flawlessly (one of my 550EX has done easily 60,000 firings when I persuaded CSC to change the bulb for me) and my ST-E2 also managed 50,000 firings before one of the board died.

at least three friends who also shot fishes but used Sigma Super 500DG all had their flash tubes burned and charred.
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« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2008, 11:11:10 PM »

BP's shutter finger trembles uncontrollably when faced with scantily dressed XMMs, therefore kenar non-stop piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak pika piak piak piak sekali flash go POOF!  Laugh till drop
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« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2008, 11:15:09 PM »

I thought the model got angry with his trembling fingers and give him non-stop piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak pika piak piak piak  Laugh till drop
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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2008, 11:25:34 PM »

kns.  Pissed Pissed Pissed Pissed
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2008, 11:33:55 PM »

I thought the model got angry with his trembling fingers and give him non-stop piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak piak pika piak piak piak  Laugh till drop

If that's the case, I dun tink BP's finger was the only thang that trembled!  Laugh till drop Laugh till drop Laugh till drop
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2008, 11:49:07 PM »

If that's the case, I dun tink BP's finger was the only thang that trembled!  Laugh till drop Laugh till drop Laugh till drop


you mean his thumb also trembling?
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« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2008, 12:00:46 AM »


you mean his thumb also trembling?
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« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2008, 12:01:46 AM »

unless his thumb swollen and the model mistook it for something else 
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