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« on: December 31, 2007, 11:45:44 AM »

if i want to trigger a canon or 3rd party flash off shoe, what are my methods other than using the 580 as a master?
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« Reply #1 on: December 31, 2007, 11:49:21 AM »

Pocket Wizards!  Grin
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« Reply #2 on: December 31, 2007, 11:52:59 AM »

Pocket Wizards!  Grin

other than that? if i order that, it will take some time to get here. what other alternatives do i have? what abt the st-e2?
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« Reply #3 on: December 31, 2007, 11:56:30 AM »

yes. that too.

sometimes, even the built in camera flash can do it.
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« Reply #4 on: December 31, 2007, 12:04:01 PM »

yes. that too.

sometimes, even the built in camera flash can do it.

trigger by flash? sometimes? i need it to be more than 99% certainty leh.

if its using pocket wizard, that means i need to get a receiver for the canon flash or 3rd party flash right?
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« Reply #5 on: December 31, 2007, 12:19:42 PM »

I'm no means an expert so this is all based on what I've read, and my poor man experiments.  Grin


Other than a 580 as a Master ...

Assuming all strobes are 3rd party:

1) ST-E2 with optical sensors on the slaves (pins on the ST-E2 need to be taped up - also requires line of sight). Limited range.

2) 1 x 3rd party MANUAL master flash on or off cam connected via PC cord, or master digital flash with pre-flash turned off, slaves on optical sensors (like my set-up). Range limited only by distance from optical sensors to master flash.

3) Radio Slaves with a transmitter on cam (besides pocket wizards, there are also the cheapo Cactus slaves which will work with most units that can accept a PC sync cord, or one radio set which has been mentioned and recommended are the Elinchrome Shyports available here)

4) On board cam flash triggering slaves on optical sensors on slave units (need to switch off pre-flash).


Note: The ST-E2 has a pre-flash function, so for it to be useable with optical slaves, the pins need to be taped up. You loose AF assist when you use the ST-E2 that way.

Some users have reported varied success rates with Sonia brand optical slaves and their 580s.

Optical slaves work very much on contrast, so if you're using it in bright sunlight/outdoors in the open, you need to cover/hood up the receiving optical sensors unless you're using the OLD model Wein Peanut slaves (the new ones have been reported to be quite useless/unreliable, Don't know if the issues have been resolved)

Hope this helps.

If you're really tied for a radio, and can't rent a PW set, you could buy the Cactus units from Tagotech. Will send you a PM.
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« Reply #6 on: December 31, 2007, 12:26:06 PM »

I'm no means an expert so this is all based on what I've read, and my poor man experiments.  Grin


Other than a 580 as a Master ...

Assuming all strobes are 3rd party:

1) ST-E2 with optical sensors on the slaves (pins on the ST-E2 need to be taped up - also requires line of sight). Limited range.

2) 1 x 3rd party MANUAL master flash on or off cam connected via PC cord, or master digital flash with pre-flash turned off, slaves on optical sensors (like my set-up). Range limited only by distance from optical sensors to master flash.

3) Radio Slaves with a transmitter on cam (besides pocket wizards, there are also the cheapo Cactus slaves which will work with most units that can accept a PC sync cord, or one radio set which has been mentioned and recommended are the Elinchrome Shyports available here)

4) On board cam flash triggering slaves on optical sensors on slave units (need to switch off pre-flash).


Note: The ST-E2 has a pre-flash function, so for it to be useable with optical slaves, the pins need to be taped up. You loose AF assist when you use the ST-E2 that way.

Some users have reported varied success rates with Sonia brand optical slaves and their 580s.

Optical slaves work very much on contrast, so if you're using it in bright sunlight/outdoors in the open, you need to cover/hood up the receiving optical sensors unless you're using the OLD model Wein Peanut slaves (the new ones have been reported to be quite useless/unreliable, Don't know if the issues have been resolved)

Hope this helps.

If you're really tied for a radio, and can't rent a PW set, you could buy the Cactus units from Tagotech. Will send you a PM.

gonna work with 1 flash first and probably looking at the 430. trying to figure out cheapest and simplest way to trigger it off shoe.

probably will want to look at PW later on when i got more flash. but just wonder a simple 1 or 2 flash set up, what is simple to do. i don't want wires running over the place and i want the thing to go off when i want it. cost not really a concern but of cos i don't want to spend 2-3k on lights.
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« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2007, 12:30:43 PM »

get two second hand 550EX.
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« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2007, 12:37:14 PM »

get two second hand 550EX.

Ditto.
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« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2007, 12:38:23 PM »

quite hard to find right?
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« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2007, 12:39:56 PM »

squat in clubsnap and wait loh.
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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2007, 12:41:07 PM »

squat there also no use. hardly see ppl selling the older flash units. i think go tcw or some 2nd hand shop easier.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2007, 12:42:39 PM »

heng ah I got mine long ago  Grin
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2007, 12:44:27 PM »

thanks for rubbing it in, uncle choy.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2007, 12:58:26 PM »

What about the higher end Sigma units? So far, I've had really good experiences with my mid-end Sigma unit that I was using on the day of the hoot. I thing the DG Supers or whatever go for slightly less than 400 bucks brand new, and somewhere around 250-290 used?
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