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Nick
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« on: December 16, 2007, 12:22:25 PM »

I need some help. My 1DMkII underexposes by 1-stop under spot metering. Is this consistent with the other 1DMkIIs too?
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2007, 01:31:17 PM »

Me no 1D Mk II expert, but what are you metering off, and are the CFNs set properly, also the one for the focusing screen you're using?
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2007, 02:10:50 PM »

Thanks for replying Chris.... am metering off centre AF point for spot. CFs are as default apart from ISO boost. Lets see what Victor & Slava have to say.

Discussed it with deadpoet this morning regarding this issue too.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2007, 09:20:05 PM »

Hi Klose,

Did you manage to find out more?

I just checked and read something:

Spot

Spot metering is useful for metering very precisely a single subject or area within a scene. The metering is weighted at the center of the frame covering 3.8% of the viewfinder area. With AF points limited to 11 or 9 (custom function 13 is 1 or 3) the metered spot will follow the AF point.

The custom function settings stated are:

Number of AF points / Spot metering
Set the number of selectable AF points and if spot metering follows the active AF point or is locked at the center of the viewfinder 
• 0 - 45 / Center AF point
 • 1 - 11 / Active AF point
 • 2 - 11 / Center AF point
 • 3 - 9 / Active AF point

So, from that, I figure that if all your settings are set to default, aka, '0' on CFn 13, you should be getting a correct reading if you're metering using only the central AF point, and if the portion of the subject you metered on is closet to 18% grey. If the subject if off 18%, and your meter is not compensated, it will drag everything back to 18%, causing over or under exposure. Personally I found that selecting that '18% grey' equivalent portion on a subject was one of the trickiest part even when I was using an old fashioned 1 deg spot meter.

Could I check, were you facing the problem while shooting Leanna?

Why I ask is because the 1D MKII 'spot' metering may not be a true spot in the sense that it's not a 1 deg area that gets metered, but speced at being "3.8% of the viewfinder area". How many degrees that works out to, I don't know, but I doubt if any in-cam 'spot' metering could ever be as tight or precise as a seperate, hand-held spot meter.

It could be that the 'spot' area that got metered included fringing in on by the brighter, more contrasty parts beside or behind the subject, thereby causing underexposure. This I found to be another common cause or errors when I was using an OM4ti with the in-built spot metering function as opposed to using my Minolta spot meter - readings often got affected by a brighter or darker area just beside or outside the area I thought I was metering.

IF that makes sense, then a bit of careful testing with a constant apeture lens and an 18% grey card will reveal if the problem was caused by:

1) a 'corrupted' exposure reading (because the metered area was a little too wide) and

2) metering off an area that was not 18% grey and compensated for.

Also, if you're really up to it, you could also include taking incident readings as I've found them to be the most accurate reference, or compare your 1D MKII 'spot' readings against a 1 deg hand-held spot meter using an 18% grey card.


Hmm...does that sound right? Man oh manz, I hope I'm not sounding like a total dope in front of the experts here since my experience on a 1D MKII was limited to less than a day's usage!  Cheesy 
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2007, 11:45:00 PM »

My spot metering is pretty accurate most of the time. if you spot on a 'brighter" area, your whole photo will look under exposed. If you want more accurate spot metering...can try the multi-spot metering...you spot up to 8 areas and the camera will calcuate the average. multi-spot is useful when the scene have great contrast in brightness. Spot metering do not work well in Manual mode.
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2007, 06:33:22 AM »

My old MkII also underexposed by 1-stop under most conditions.  This is actually a very common problem for MkII's and Canon in general (the amount of under exposure varies between models), the MkII is known to be 1-stop under.  The Mk III is much better in this regard and the first few outings I've had with it, it is at most 1/3-stop under.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2007, 07:56:28 AM »

Humm I don't have this problem...exposure are almost right on for me.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2007, 01:18:11 PM »

Thanks for all the replies. I was shooting on manual so I guess that was a contributing factor to the metering gremlins. The 18% grey portion that was taken as reference already occupied 2/3s of the frame.

Anyway, under exposing is better than over thus blowing everything out.
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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2007, 01:31:55 PM »

Alamak! If you had mentioned right at the beginning that you were shooting in manual, we could have id-ed the problem straight away.

Nonetheless, great to hear that you have it figured out.  Wink

CHEERS!
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« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2007, 11:44:15 PM »

Just got my eyecup replaced today. Apparently it was torn while at CSC. Defect wasn't noticed till I got home and only had time to go down to CSC today. Replacement = FOC.  Grin Kudos to Canon.

But 1-series really makes a difference in customer service.  Grin
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2007, 12:31:57 AM »

Is that feeling just psychological?
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« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2007, 12:34:22 AM »

Is that feeling just psychological?

Klose went to change eye cup, approach counter.
Lady staff asked boss, can change bo?
Boss say, what model?
Lady looks under camera, goes back to boss, 1D mark 2.
Boss nods head.
Lady changes.

u say lei?
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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2007, 12:40:51 AM »

SIZE DOES MATTER!!!  Afro
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« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2007, 12:50:46 AM »

my 3 years old 10D got repair for free when AF failed. And they even say "Sorry for the trouble caused?" BTW they did it in less then 24hrs when I told them is urgent.
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2007, 01:37:19 AM »

my 3 years old 10D got repair for free when AF failed. And they even say "Sorry for the trouble caused?" BTW they did it in less then 24hrs when I told them is urgent.
You were carrying your 1DmkII and 70-200L with you right? giggling...
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